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since et for
Message de jojo06 posté le 17-10-2005 à 20:33:07 (S | E | F | I)

quand traduit on since et for par depuis ou pendant ?


Réponse: since et for de felin, postée le 17-10-2005 à 20:38:09 (S | E)
Bonsoir

The present perfect is often used with since and for to denote periods of time up to the present. (Note that we do not use present perfect with expressions that refer to a time period that has finished, i.e. 'last week' or 'the day before yesterday'. Here the simple past is used: 'I went to the cinema three times last week.')

If you use since with the present perfect or present perfect continuous, you are signalling when something started.
If you use for, you are signalling how long something has been going on. Compare:

'She has been living in Holland since the summer of 1992.'
'She has been living in Holland for the last nine years.'

That is one use of since and for.
But since and for can also be used in a similar way to as and because to give the reason for an action or a situation. However, there are important differences between them.

Because is used when the reason is the most important part of the sentence or utterance. The because clause usually comes at the end:
'I went to Spain last summer because I wanted the guarantee of sunshine on every day of my holiday.'

As and since are used when the reason is already well known and is therefore usually less important. The as or since clause is usually placed at the beginning of the sentence:
'As the performance had already started, we went up to the balcony and occupied some empty seats there.'
'Since John had already eaten, I made do with a sandwich.'

For suggests that the reason is given as an afterthought. It is never placed at the beginning of the sentence and is more characteristic of written, rather than spoken English:
'I decided to stop the work I was doing - for it was very late and I wanted to go to bed.'

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Edité par felin le 17-10-2005 20:42


Réponse: since et for de bridg, postée le 17-10-2005 à 20:46:59 (S | E)
Bonjour
Si vous avez quelques difficultés à traduire les excellentes explications de félin, voici le cours sur le present perfect avec cette mention de webmaster en bas de la page :
Un peu de vocabulaire...
SINCE (= 'depuis') permet d'indiquer quand l'action a commencé (date)
FOR (='pendant') indique une durée (2 heures, 3 jours, 5 mois...) pendant laquelle cette action a été faite.
On utilise ces petits mots avec le PRESENT PERFECT.
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Bon courage.



Réponse: since et for de felin, postée le 17-10-2005 à 21:00:42 (S | E)
Bonsoir

Thanks Bridg

I'm giving you another about "for and during"

We use for as a preposition when we are talking about a period of time:

For a few years my brother worked on the plant.
My brother worked at the factory for a few years.

We don't know exactly when it was and I don't know how old your brother is but it might have been in the 90s, the 80s or the 70s or even earlier and it lasted for two or three years.

For can be used to describe a period of time in the past, present or future:

The English course that I'm attending lasts for three months.
Then I shall be on holiday in Dublin for five days.
Last year I went to Australia and stayed for six weeks.
However, if you use for with the present perfect or present perfect continuous tense, it indicates a period of time which started in the past and continues up to the present time:

My sister has worked as a vet for fifteen years now - since 1987.
Those oak trees have been standing in Greenwich Park for centuries - since the 18th Century, I think.

Note that since is used to indicate the starting point of the action and for measures the period of time up to the present

-We also use during as a preposition when we are talking about a period of time, but the meaning is different. During means (at some point) in the course of. Compare the following:

I saw not one duck on the lake during the whole of last summer.
I don't know when exactly but he must have left during the night.
I expect he'll phone me at some stage during next week.
It must have rained here during the last fortnight as the ground is quite soft and damp.

Remember the difference by thinking that during tells us when something happens, for tells us how long it lasts.

During does not work in your original sentence, because it introduces a subordinate clause starting with when or that and the sentence is incomplete. There is no main clause.

During the few years
During the few years (when / that) my brother was working in the factory…

If we add a main clause, the sentence will be complete and grammatically correct.

During those years (when / that) my brother was working in the factory, I was studying at university.

Note that we can replace duringwhen or during…that with the conjunction while:

My brother was working on a farm while I was studying for my masters degree.
While my brother was at home working on the farm, I was away at university.

Voila voilou voili,



Réponse: since et for de bridg, postée le 20-10-2005 à 16:05:11 (S | E)
Question positionnée ici car vous y avez déjà une réponse détaillée grâce à félin
Bon courage.
Réponse: since, during and for ? de lulubelle, postée le 20-10-2005 à 16:00:24 (S | E)
would you tell me the different between : for, since or during.
thank you for your help !


Réponse: since ou for de carole69, postée le 24-10-2005 à 16:57:32 (S | E)
Réponse: since ou for de carole69, postée le 24-10-2005 à 16:53:55 (S | E)
pourriez vous me dire la différence qu'il y a entre "since" et "for car je n'arrive pas à trouver de leçon dessus sur le site.
Merci!!!


pardon, je viens de trouver
since+durée
for+date


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Edité par bridg le 24-10-2005 17:07
fusion


Réponse: since ou for de lucile83, postée le 24-10-2005 à 17:02:46 (S | E)
Hello,
Voici un lien à explorer:

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since= à partir d'un moment donné = à partir de, depuis janvier, depuis la semaine dernière, depuis lundi,etc...

for = pendant une durée donnée = pendant, depuis 2 jours, depuis 4 ans,depuis 1 mois,etc...

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